Liberated Christians
PO Box 55045, Phoenix AZ 85078-5045
Promoting Intimacy and Other-Centered Sexuality
Guide To Phoenix Swing Clubs & Polyamory
Groups/Stroking Community
SWING CLUBS
City of Phoenix Wins
Long Battle Against Swing Club
Club Chameleon Closed owners faced prison and fines
The Religious Right Sadly Wins The Fight against Swing Clubs
Other clubs could be charged for same violations in clever way after long Court
Fights
9/22/02 ALL PHOENIX SWING CLUBS BUSTED BY
MORALITY POLICE- SEE LEGAL BATTLE AND LATEST INFORMATION NO LEGAL RISK TO SWINGERS, ONLY THE CLUB OWNERS are at
risk from the 1998 law banning swing clubs in Phoenix, which is being challenged
as unconstitutional. (but battle lost June 2005)
Sociables II 3639 N 39th Ave
2 blocks South of Indian School
Phone 278-3196.
A large club with lots of hot horny couples, many are
exhibitionist that like to have others watch. They have private rooms with one way glass
so a couple can have others watching without being distracted...especially great for the
single men to watch (I guess...very boring for me). Some couples tell me people mostly
just strut and the very loud music tends to eliminate any intelligent discussion. Some
couples tell me its very cliquish and most of the single women are lesbians. I've never
gone myself since I'm just not interested. Open Wed & Thur 8pm to 3am. Fri & Sat
9pm to 4am, Sunday 3pm to 3am. Will be lots of single men all nights, so many couples who
aren't interested in lots of excess men avoid this club. Its also been called a
"dump" especially compared to the newer more upscale clubs. However see update
from another couple about changes at Sociables later in this review. Couples charge varies
from $15/Sundays to $30/Fri/Sat. Single men $35. Single women free.
Discretions 3304
N 27th Ave
Encounters
3037 W. Clarendon Phone 230-9680
Club Chameleon - CLOSED
June 2005 after facing fine and prison after long
fight for swingers rights.
Impressions - CLOSED
Guys & Dolls - CLOSED
LIBERATED CHRISTIANS
NO PHOENIX COUPLES GROUP
SINCE 1997
New leadership wasn't able to keep going what Dave & Bill founded
IF Dave ever finds the right partner would restart - but seems unlikely
But info on old group may be of interest to some and how we were very different
from the usual swing club.
Many couples want more long-term friendship
relationships not just sex. Liberated Christians is for couples, polyamory combinations
and single women. Due to the groups desire for gender balance we can't accommodate single
men.
We are very different from a traditional swing club. We encourage developing friendships,
openly discuss many issues about sexuality, jealousy, fears, abuse issues, nudity, etc.
which makes people feel more comfortable having intimacy with friends not just strangers
at a swing club. Those looking for more of a "party" and "fun" will
find us much too boring and we suggest other swing clubs may be more for you. We are
nonsmoking (except outdoors) and mostly nonalcoholic (only at some parties with only the
host providing so they can control) and of course no drugs. Safe sex is your
responsibility and our only other rule is no means no.
For many having sex with strangers is much easier than having any intimacy. We are more
about intimacy - with your spouse and others in a caring, loving, trusting environment..
Before attending our Fellowship meetings you must first attend a 3 hr. Intro workshop
which is only held about 4 times a year. This screens out those who would be disruptive or
not be happy with our loving intimacy before sex attitude but makes us not suitable for
travelers or drop ins. Our couples very much like the idea of this screening.
Now the bad news. Your timing is bad. We had a
active Phoenix Couples group for over 3 years and over 350 people attended intros,
workshops and parties.
But at this point the Liberated Christian Phoenix Couples Group is on hold until
old Dave finds a participating partner. I am happy to meet couples and share
individually however.
Sometime I hope to get the LC group going again. If you are a couple or single women let me know of your interest in a future LC group
and I will add you to mailing list to receive info when the group starts again.
We have no way of accommodating single men since so few single women participate until
first in a secure prime relationship. We are also about relationships not just sex and few
couples seek such relationships with single men since the dynamics are so different.
One of the problems is not many people have homes that can hold up to 40 people. Another
recent problem is we lost one of the most dynamic leadership couples due to personal
problems so the new group mentioned in the following newsletter while having had a party
and some "coffees" doesn't have any plans for intros or workshops for new folks.
Here is our most recent newsletter (November 97) describing the changes for the Phoenix
Group:
Liberated Christians.
PO Box 55045, Phoenix, Arizona 85078-5045
Liberated Christians Phoenix Group
November Update & Restructuring Notice
Wow another great party
38 people enjoyed the November party at Dave's. Many Alumni we haven't seen for awhile
joined us. How many of you remember Steve and C.J. for example who led workshops a few
years ago? Was great to see so many old friends as well as new.
Reorganization and Restructuring Time!
Dave Becoming less Active
New Group, New Name
After three years of wonderful experiences leading the Phoenix group we now have dynamic
new leadership ready to step in and restructure the group that in a way may better meet
the needs of the participants.
As many of you know, I have been very frustrated not having my own relationship while
trying to lead a couples group for the last three years. I have appreciated the fact that
my single status has not seemed to be a negative factor as far as you have been concerned,
but it has resulted in a great deal of frustration for me.
I have decided that with all the other time requirements of the web site, main newsletter
and keeping up with administration of the broader Liberated Christians activities, I can
no longer make the time commitment needed to also lead the Phoenix Group, handle the large
amount of administration required, host parties etc. I need to spend more time in
situations where I am more likely to find my own personal intimacy desires fulfilled and
find my own prime relationship/s. In addition I am behind schedule in getting out the next
main newsletter which over 3000 people worldwide read. This takes a great deal of time to
produce and distribute.
It is often very frustrating to share so many intimacy ideas with others, when I have only
limited intimacy opportunities in my own life. My main interest is not typical swinging
type activities, but loving, caring, physical intimacy and discussion of various issues. I
am not much of a party fan, although the parties have turned out to be the most popular
activity.
You will soon receive a newsletter from the successor group led by Peri, Eric, Carol,
Karlene, Norm and others. They have an exciting calendar of events planned for 1998 and
many ideas on reaching new people. They are in process of selecting a new name, which will
not refer to any particular religious belief so as to attract a broader range of people.
A few months ago Bill announced that he was limiting his local LC activities in order to
focus on helping folks with specific Christian issues, locally, on-line and through some
of the traveling he is doing to other parts of the country. He has also focused more on
developing small fellowship groups, both in Phoenix and elsewhere. He is now involved in
additional restructuring of his personal and ministry life in ways that he feels can help
him utilize his time and abilities to be more helpful to folks who are concerned with the
Christian issues and which will bring him more personal fulfillment.
Bill and I remain available to help with any Christian issues. The extensive Cyber Center
provides a great deal of material for Christians dealing with religious issues. We
continue to get many letters thanking us for the information and we continue to get over
300 different people a day visiting the site.
I will continue to be available to participate in intros and be involved in leading
workshops on intimacy, massage and other areas where I may be helpful. I would enjoy
attending other events and parties as a participant. Bill will also attend events, as he
is able. I am also available to discuss individually with couples or women intimacy issues
and I especially enjoy sharing intimacy and massage experiences with women.
I've enjoyed some great intimacy experiences with various women and couples in the group.
I continue to look forward to more such private experiences
Again, I thank you all for your support and ask you to fully support and assist the new
leadership.
For new folks reading this here is "OLD" intro and workshop structure Dave ran
for the last three years that we had hoped would be continued to some extent but we are
not sure we have the leadership for it.
-Sample Events after Required 3 Hour Intro:
Weekly Coffee Chats No cost except for your own food/coffee. Reservations not required,
just drop by. We have meetings in NW Valley and we are looking for other hosts if folks
want to periodically meet in Central or SE Valley.
Intimacy workshop - Discussion of intellectual, emotional and spiritual intimacy, as well
as sexual and physical intimacy. Including ideas on breaking your barriers to intimacy,
jealousy, loving physical intimacy vs. "just sex", and sexual healing. Getting
in touch with others while respecting the difference between high-touch people and those
that only enjoy touch with a long-term mate. All should be respected. Introduce Hug Circle
which is "intimately loving" but non-sexual - Couples Communications -
Couple-centric or individual relating model - Your questions, concerns & vision for
developing healthy sexuality and ideas to explore and perhaps expand your sexuality. Cost:
$10/couple
Massage Workshop We will continue to explore more intimacy using massage. Dave and others
will demonstrate/discuss both therapeutic as well as sensual Esalen massage, G-spot
massage etc. We show a short video with ideas on nudity and clips by the founders of the
Stroking Community. This is usually a very popular workshop. We also hope to have an
ongoing massage group since there is a great deal of interest but with some differences
from the great Stroking Community group in Phoenix. If anyone would be interested in
hosting a massage group let me know. Cost: $10/couple
Communications Workshop. Now that you have been exposed to some ideas about open
relationships and perhaps have had some experience, how is it going? How is the
communications between you and your prime partner? This workshop has helped many other
couples in the past to honestly communicate expectations, fears etc. with the support of
others that have "been there - done that- felt that". Cost: $10/couple
Stan Dale Workshop
Intro on tape by Stan Dale, including non-sexual intimacy exercises with your partner. The
full workshops, sponsored by the Human Awareness Institute, are held all over the world.
These are where Dave learned the most about intimacy and observed the most powerful
life-changing experiences in participants. Its the only group we highly recommend for
learning real loving intimacy.
Parties with different themes or structure hosted by various couples have been very
popular in the past.
We invite our members to hold other workshops on various topics, chats, party's etc.
ARIZONA STROKING COMMUNITY NOT A SWINGERS GROUP !
We have found many swingers also enjoy massage so we
include this great group which is a NON-SEXUAL massage group. In the future
Liberated Christians may have more sexual ongoing massage groups if we can find host
couples, but for those seeking JUST great massage friends we include the Stroking
Community in this section.
A stroking community is a support group for people
who are getting in touch with themselves by getting in touch with others with non-sexual,
noninvasive touch.
People never outgrow their need to touch and be touched, and suppressing those needs is
hazardous to heath - physical and emotional health. The group provides a safe environment
for giving and receiving good strokes in a supportive, nurturing environment for friends
to enjoy clothing optional non-sexual massage respecting the personal privacy and
boundaries of each individual.
The Stroking Community was originally a national network of groups founded by David Linton
and four others based on massage workshops held in Philadelphia, in the 1970s, led by some
of the prime developers of Esalen massage. Their motto was: "massage a way of
love".
I attended, in the 1980s, Stroking Community workshops on the East Coast, enhancing both
the physical and loving spiritual aspects of Esalen
massage by doing group massage.
Before moving to Phoenix I lived in Minneapolis all my life and was very active in the
Minnesota Therapeutic Massage Network of professional therapists. At an annual meeting we
had David Linton as the keynote speaker. He was outstanding in his expression of loving
mankind and expressing it with massage. Sadly he died suddenly and unexpectedly soon after
this presentation. The biography he wrote for the speech turned out to be his obituary
published by The Stroking Times newsletter, March 1987. We use a short tape in the
Liberated Christian massage workshop which shows David, a hunchedback older man with a
heart of gold and filled with love which he taught and expressed through massage.
For current contact information and details see:
Arizona Stroking Community
REMEMBER: THIS IS NOT A SWING
GROUP AND NO OVERT SEXUALITY IS ALLOWED
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